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I have seen pictures of these posted on another topic. I have never seen anything like that. I am amazed and feel these inormation deserves a topic apart.
I invite those of you who know about this to please share info on it !
That is all very interesting. The small size of the horses in the pictures really caught my eye. And they truly look criollo to me.
It would be nice if you posted them here.
These pictures were recently taken by photographer Jo-Ann Ferré. She attended a Andadura event in Puerto Rico.
When i lived in Puerto Rico people where allways talking about a Paso Fino Horse that was bought by a lawyer and the laweyers kids had him do andaduras as the horse was pinto and could not be competed and there was said by people all the time that he was clocked at over 45 mph. I had the oportunity to see one of his sons and he was also a pinto and he was fast in andadura i saw him clocked at 38mph.
One of my friends in PR has a Pinto that is very good in Paso Corto and is very fast.
You can speed race them against Tennesee Walkers and other horses like Icelandics which also "tolt"...
Tolt, rack or this what they are calling "Andadura"..... is all the same gait...
Crossing on Standardbreds will increase the size of the horses, which would be desireable for some people.
Hi Rawlie, Great to see ya!
The andadura gait is described as a PACE, and the best native or "Criollo" horses will look like they are PACING at Extreme speed, , BUT there is a diference, and that is the LACK OF SUSPENSION in the Criollo andadura gait.
In other words NO UP AND DOWN MOVEMENT.
the Tolt is like a largo, a tad less lateral than the andadura, but like the andadura it has NO SUSPENSION.
At the Moment, Standardbred Pacers from the usa, as well as Sadlebred and walking horses compete. they are not identified as Walkers, standardbred or Sadle horses, instead they call them all "Extranjeros" ( Foreighners) and Many of the pacers do not have a suspension free gait, So while the crillos will largo and corto when traveling slower, the pacers just pace WITH SUSPENSION at any spead. Their is no diference for pacers and andadura when racing, as they both sound the same, ( Like a two beat lateral gait) BUT, their is a BIG and important difference in my opinion, and that is the SUSPENSION, the difference between suffering a jaring up and down movement, and enjoying a ride on what feels like a magic flying carpet.
On another note, a fast Largo and the andadura gait will both sound as a 2 beat lateral gait, and they may even look the same, but a high speed still camera will reveal that the andaura gait is not a perfect lateral gait and that in deed the legs of either lateral side will not strike tha ground at the exact same moment, but that the rear leg will stike slightly before the front.
The caps are to stress words, not to yell.
also I want to thank Rafael Arbelo for allowing me the oportunity to share my Andadura experience with all in the next issue of his fabulous Magazine "Paso Fino a Puerto Rican Breed"
some pics comming soon :-)
Best wishes to all,
picture of Criollo andadura horse,
Bam Bam riden by Ricardo Curbero, Photo taken on the 3rd of Sep 2006 at Cabo Rojo's Hacienda el Alamo
Andaura picture of Criollo Horse,
All the pics so far are those I took on Sep 3 of 2006
Fantasma, riden by Joel Lopez
andadura horse outside the coliseum at the Feria de Campo 2006 in Hatillo, Puerto Rico
"La diabla " riden by Murillo at the sep 3, 2006 races at Hacienda el Alamo.
This mare is a pacer or "Extranjera as they call them.
While they do have different categories for criollo and Extranjero horses,
they are also crossing the two types, and in the futire I will let you all know what the results look like :-)
For those interested, therte are also two website for andadura horses,
the First is www.andadura.com, and the other is the federation of andadura and paso horses, but I am sad to say they are both exclusively in Spanish.
Criollo andadura horse, Montana, rider Millo
Pic also from Sep 3 2006
Notice this extranjero Horse, is Pacing at slow spead, while the criollo horse would corto or largo at slower speed...
Hi Rawlie, you know what also, I am sooooo thrilled to see Denise and Charlie on this board as well.
That day I went to Pasopedigree and saw is closed I thought he was leaving us, I saw he is posting pics of his new Baby Pasos ! I have been waiting so long to see updates on his pasos!
ps on the andaduras, I forgot to say that the saddlebred or walkers do gait at slow speed without the suspension, and they are big, like 17 or 18 hands. I need an education on these US breeds as I know little about them, but I have a pic of one and you can see the tail is in a different style, sorta up like. I'll post the pic, and someone maybe can identify the exact breed of the horse.
OK, this is horse that I suspect is T. Walker or Saddlebred, note the tail too...
Can anyone identify the breed? these pics taken January 28 2007 at Hacienda el alamo.
Hello again everyone!
Interesting topic & I love the photos. As an aside - some, not all Icelandics are 5 gaited & that 5th gear is a true pace.
What is absolutely fascinating to me is how some of these andadura horses are so very similar in movement & body type to the Icelandic - the 2 photos Rafael posted & the one from Ferrum of the horse "Montana" bear a very striking resemblance to an Icelandic.
I have always wondered if way back when these horses shared a common ancestor - I'm even more curious after seeing the pictures & hearing the description of the size. Icelandics are often referred to as the horse in a pony sized suit, & these horses seem to also fit that desrption quite well.
Does anyone know where there might be video of the races available to view?
at the bottom of this page, you can click on the pics and see video of corto, largo, and andadura gaits.I took the pics, but the video is taken by someone else.
I've added the photos back in of the Andaduras. They are great action photos taken by Ferrum. Their reach is amazing. They really give their all; and the riders!!! They're riding bareback....that need for speed!
Ride 'em cowboy!
I don't know the answer to that Reuben, but I suspect there's some sort of logic behind it. I'll have to ponder it for awhile.
As far as I can see all of the horses pictured are being ridden in a mechanical hackamore - no mouthpiece. So no cue to the mouth - it's all in the nose, chin, & poll. Shanked bits are all about leverage & the longer the shank, the quicker the signal is sent.
It has long been believed in the western disciplines that the longer shanked bits are indicative of a horse that has achieved the highest level of training as a minimal cue is all that is necessary to get a response from these bits. These long shanked bits were never designed, nor should they ever be used in the two handed direct, or "plow rein" style.
I myself always wondered why it is believed that a horse is considered "finished" in a bit - it just seems to me that the horse that responds to body & leg cues in a bitless bridle is the ultimate example of horse/human communication.
I have a feeling they have their own specific reasons for using what they do. Some of them look like gravity might launch them right into flight without the horse.